After making an address at the National Press Club in Canberra, the ABC chair is asked about the 'Joe Rogan effect' and how the US podcaster has managed to 'capture this huge market'. Kim Williams replies that he is not 'a consumer or enthusiast' of Rogan and says of people like him: 'They prey on fear. They prey on anxiety … I’m also absolutely in dismay that this can be a source of public entertainment, when it’s really treating the public as plunder for purposes that are really quite malevolent'

• Chair Kim Williams makes rare admission about ‘poorer’ state of ABC’s output